We got Matt Simpson on today. I'm excited to chat so wild time we're living in right now, wild, wild time and a transformational coach. He's the author of Worth The Fight, podcaster, and he says your service work vigilante.
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Being A Service Work Vigilante
Matt: That is a reference to the service project that I'm very passionate about. They are a collective goal that are in healing mission, which is healing the hearts and minds of our war veterans and letting them show the way into the unknown in terms of psychedelic medicines. And I've been advocating for the rural carts project and some other organizations that are doing incredible work with our war veterans that are struggling in a, in a mental health crisis and suicide epidemic.
Mike: There’s a mental health crisis on the forefront of the United States. And I'm actually talking to a lot of different people in other countries, too. I had a call with one of my clients in Jordan and everything that's happened with George Floyd, the protest it's actually ignited the entire world. Even the Arab world is hip to what's going on and are becoming active in their own ways.
And when all this started going down and I was really thinking about it as an American thing, and I've definitely traveled other countries and I've, I've watched the news while in other countries before. And it's interesting what other countries get to see versus like, if you're inside versus whether you're outside on how things are portrayed. So I was really, really curious and it sounds like there's a lot of attention and compassion coming from all over the world.
And I'm excited to talk to you today because you are a transformational coach. I'm a transformational coach. And I've mentioned this a couple of times this week already, and I'll keep hitting. It is, there's a concept of as above so below, and that is whatever's happening on the microcosm can also, it also happens on the macrocosm on a small scale and large scale. And when we look at the work of transformation and you also work with people with PTSD, there's transformation and healing from really deep seated trauma, what we're witnessing, one of the questions I've been asking myself for years is what I understand healing on an individual level.
So how do we have healing on a cultural level, because anything that can be done with it, anything that happens with an individual can happen with a group is the way that I've operated. And as I've been watching all of this unfold, I'm going, man, can we actually have healing as a group? Or does each person have to take on the healing for themselves as an individual? So I'm curious about your opinion on that. if you've spent time thinking about that.
Matt: Absolutely. Yeah. And I think it's a little bit of a little bit of both and I'm right with you on the things being universal law, what's at a micro is good for the macro the idea of transformation. And like you'd said, I'm working with a lot of people that do have trauma. And I spent a lot of time and I wrote a book about, about trauma and my healing of, of overcoming childhood sexual trauma.
And so, so I feel like I have a pulse on the transformational process of, of going through it on an individual level. And I believe, absolutely this is something that we are doing on a collective level. And the ideawe're flushing out the trauma now and we're talking about it and it's exposed. and what does Bernie Brown says the middle is always messy, but it's where the magic happens. And I feel like we're in that part of kind of that messy part of this transformational process where we've had so many systems that are unsustainable we've hit an impasse and now it's time that we come together and find a way to make this thing work.
The Obstacle Is The Way
Mike: Yeah. Every transformational coach I know, had their own transformation That’s what, that's what fires us up. It's like, Oh shit, I didn't know life could be this good. I didn't know that this stuff that I was carrying, I didn't know that it was voluntary. I didn't realize that I could actually heal that and let go and move on. And then most people don't knowthat whatever their, it is, that they're carrying is voluntary until they have the opportunity to let it go or work through it.
However you want to think about it. And then it's like, Oh shit. So what I would, I just picked up on here is we need people that have been through major transformation at the forefront of this conversation. I, my experience, a lot of the loudest voices are here. Don't really understand healing. There's, there's a lot of things we're just fine, like anger and an acknowledgement and awareness that there's a problem is an absolutely necessary step.
And there's a point where let's, let's start highlighting the people like yourself. Who've had a transformational experience themselves because until you've, until you've done that work on you, I mean, that's how you really understand how to help other people. It's one thing to read a book, go to school or become a psychologist or whatever it is. And it's another thing to have, have gone through your own transfer missional process. You go, Oh, I actually get it. Now I understand the power here in the process.
Matt: Absolutely. It's Marcus really is, is the obstacles the way, what stands in the way becomes the way the impediment, the impediment to action advances action. And so on my journey, there was, there was thousands and thousands and thousands of hours that where I was sitting in, in prayer and meditation, trying to figure out my own shit and wrap my hands around my own healing. and yeah. through that process, we learn a little bit about the process and how this can, how this can scale.
Matt’s Trauma and How He Healed from It
Mike: Yeah. There there's some universal pro principles that you pick up along the way. Can you tell us a little bit about your own trauma and how you, how you healed that?
Matt: Absolutely. It was my 35th birthday, October 16th, 19, of 2014, I just sold a business. I was a business manager, Congo and had done the whole corporate America referees thing and totally suit and tie every day, and nice shoe, all like all the good stuff, or, or it was good stuff back then.
The things that I don't value as much now, but having this experience too that night where I was supposed to be celebrating this momentous accomplishment of, starting and selling a business, it was an immense opportunity for growth with the new company. And all I could think about was this path that I'm on right now. And how could I be of greater service to people that are struggling, people that are stuck in stuck where I was before.
And I thought that I'd done my, my work. And I think we all kind of think that we've done our work, and then we have a rude awakening. and it was, it was, it was two months later. I was down in the jungles of Costa Rica and had a profound healing with Ayahuasca. and I forgot a year to untangle myself from the corporate America mess. So I could leave on good terms. I traveled with a backpack for 18 months with, with earnest intentions of finding where I can best fit in for the next 50, 60 years of my life and where it can be of greatest service.
And I came across veteran healing, mission veterans for angiogenic therapy at the time. And Ryan, the comp, and I was thinking like, Holy shit, man, this has gotta be shared, how come, how come I, how come I'm not finding out how come I'm finding out about this right now. And I had that experience in my own life as well prior to Ayahuasca is my, my dad had committed suicide.
And this was like, Oh about 11 years ago, it was 11, 11 and half years ago. I cried at the funeral and I didn't, and my life transformed after he died, there was like a lot of like acknowledgement of like, Oh, I was doing this because of my father and my life transition. I had a transformational experience the year following his death. And it propelled me in a lot of ways.
And so I thought I had it handled, but then I got down to Peru and do Ayahuasca and the medicine showed me. He's like, no you kind of had it. I had no idea that might come up. when I talked to the facilitator head time is like, is there anything that you might, that might come up? I'm like, I don't think I got anything. I'm good man. I'm just here to optimize no big deal. And then of course my dad comes up in in ceremony and I have a healing experience that I didn't.
No, that was possible. And so I'm with you on that. That's, it's one of those things where this is where the medicines are really good is cause there's so many people walking around going. I think I got it handled pretty fucking good. And then something like that comes along and you're like, Oh wow, this is, this is a big transformation.
And of course, there's no way to know that that there's anything, that's, that's one of the hallmarks of this experience, the psychedelic experience, and certainly the experience with Ayahuasca that it's, it's just, it's not explained to you it's ineffable and words do no justice in on the experience. and so, that was what was driving that drove me to go roll the dice and to take seven days off. I didn't, I told two people, I cut out the day after Christmas, I skipped a family Christmas and had a low key time with my mother.
And I was just like, I'm out. This is something I have to do. And I knew at the deepest depths of my soul, that this is something that I have to do. And it, it, the first ceremony was, was, was, was awful. It was, it was, it was horrible. It was just a very challenging experience fractal computer code and just, I was a mess. butthe second one was a really powerful, breakthrough. and I could see clearly all of the mistakes and all of the ways that I was sabotaging my happiness and sabotaging authentic human connection.
Matt’s Clients & Mirror Medicine
Mike: Alright, man. So like what's your work look like when you're, when you're helping people? What kind of people come to you?
Matt: Often, people that have, have trauma and are looking to, to take a different approach towards their health and wellbeing and yeah. People that are interested in the psychedelic, the psychedelic path orthis path of non-ordinary non-ordinary States and looking to have guidance from somebody who's, who's gone through the journey.
And I'm privileged to speak and to speak openly because of the public work that I've been doing with our war veterans and having written a book, a transformational program it's something that is, has been attracting, folks that are looking to bring more flow into their lives and looking to level up their game by looking within
Mike: What's that process look like when someone comes to you
Matt: We connect and we outline a a three month deep dive and really identify the dream of where we're looking to go, the reality of where we're at, the obstacles that are in the way. And then we start the process with weekly calls it's a process I call, mirror medicine.
Is it that I'm just here to hold space and to listen and to, and to share my experiences and to share best practices, but never coming at it at an angle that I know what's best for somebody. I think that we all have our innate inner truth it’s my job to help people reconnect to that intuition. And so they can see for themselves you'd said something, it was really profound, all sorts of things that were just knowledge bombs on our, our podcasts that we did a few weeks back on the worth, the fight podcast, and about discovery that people have to discover these, these insights themselves.
And when they do it's a high it sticks. There's a binding that happens. and those ahas turn into action and they turn into eventually turning into habit. Yeah. Yeah. So w what attracts you to, to work with veterans specifically? it was, it was, it was months, 17 at this 18 month travel journey that I was on.
And I was, I was just, I had just come across this organization and it, and it fit perfectly with what I was asking. and I'd probably ask myself, thousands of times on, on this 18 months or 17 months at this point, traveling with a backpack of how can I best be of service, and then to come across this work and to, to realize just how much this work, this healing work with our war veterans, and the fact that we have 22 veterans that die by their own h every single day, 10 to 15% of our homeless, our, our war veterans, countless others that are, are mired in self abuse and the opiate crisis and mess, and the pharmaceutical mess that we have.
And it just, I just felt a moral duty and obligation to stand and to share, and to channel, I guess, my pain and my trauma, or, or, or drama in the direction of service. That was what made the most sense for me. It was like, Hey, I'm, I'm fucked up, but I know I can help these guys. and I can, I can help. And that helper, her high, that at that altruism help her high was, was one of the most profound game-changers for me.
when we're serving others are often our menial problems kind of fall to the wayside and we get the proper perspective. And that's what I was looking for. And that was my,that service project that I, I was really in, on the front lines with in 2017 and 2018, before we ran out of steam, very little funding in a, in a fearful climate, but with Michael Pollan's book, how to change your mind, having every forties, fifties, and sixties, white person in America, rethinking, psychedelics, I think we're in a different time right now.